Interview with Sheikh Burhanuddin, Amelia, 29 January 2017
SHEIKH BURHANUDDIN, YOU DEVELOPED THE UWAYSI SYSTEM, CAN YOU TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT IT?
When you say developed, it appears that something has been constructed by my mind or by considerations or something, but this is not the case. After the passing away from my Master, I received this system which enables everyone, it does not matter what is his belief, or if he has no belief, to awaken to another space of happiness, of being, because we are now in an urgent situation; like when we sleep, we may not be sleeping peacefully, but in a violent dream. And this violent dream is dangerous for everyone, individually and now for the entire globe.
My Master has been a king master, the king of masters, he gave me this system and he said, first you practice it and you try it on yourself. And I tried it and it helped me tremendously, I could say it revived my life, my marriage, my relationships, and made me to enjoy life more.
Everyone is invited, under one condition: that he wants to know himself, sincerely. If that is his intention, there will be a positive opening, and that will help him to free himself from the boundaries of destructive patterns that we usually carry in us and give us so much heaviness.
WHAT IS THE MEANING OF UWAYSI?
The name Uwaysi refers to an historical person that lived in the time of the Prophet (saws). He was a mystic, and he received, without ever having met or heard about him, the information that there is a Prophet, living in Medina. So he decided to travel to see him. But by the time he arrived, the Prophet (saws), has been traveling himself in a caravan to Syria. So Uwaysi was waiting for him two months in his house, but then he decided to go back. The Prophet (saws) arrived two weeks later in Medina, and he was saying: ” I am smelling the smell of Yemen. Did anyone came to visit me from there?” They said: “Yes, there was a man, his name was Uwaysi al Qarni, he was asking for you and he was a very particular person; he had long hair, red eyes, and was dressed with a fur”. After his death, the Prophet (saws) gave the order to Sayyidina Ali and Sayyidina Omar to bring his coat to him and he gave very precise instructions on how to reach him. When they reached the village and asked for that saint person, they said there is not such a person, but since they knew the Prophet (saws) was absolutely certain, they asked again saying that there must be someone who is particular. “Ah yes” they said ” there is one living in the mountain, but we don’t go there because he is a little weird. We don’t know if he is dangerous or not.” So they thought it must be him. They went there and when they arrived Uwaysi said: “Ah, you are bringing me the coat of the Prophet?” They said yes and they gave it to him.
From that incident we understood that a person can be in contact with a master without having a direct contact. And as everything has to have a name, Maulana told me not to give a religious name, which could cause conflicts, and finally I thought since the transmission happened in the invisible, to name the system Uwaysi.
YOU TALKED ABOUT AWAKENING, SAYING THAT WE ARE ASLEEP AND WE HAVE TO AWAKEN, BUT IF WE DO THAT, WHAT IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN?
Well, sometimes it happens that you have a nightmare, and in that bad dream you experience a certain situations and then when you wake up, the first thing you say is: thanks God, it was not true.
It is something very similar what happens: when you awake in yourself, you understand that all the problems and all the difficulties you believe so much in, they disappear, as if you have dreamt of them.
Because you created them in the sleeping state, and the way to relieve them, is to let them go: this is awakening. Because in the awaken state you do not need to imagine, you will see the reality, and the reality is under every aspect harmonic.
You will experience harmony of the heart, inside of you, you will be free of the conflict that something is missing. Inshallah this is what will happen.
YOU APPEAR SO PEACEFUL AND HAPPY, SMILING AND WE WONDER…. WHAT IS YOUR SECRET?
I start to shine when I drink coffee, that helps a lot. You know, you cannot be happy with everything, but you can be in peace with everything. This is the difference. As we said before it is not that I am peaceful, it is that the isness, the reality is peaceful. So if you come in contact with reality, you will receive this peace, you will experience a very deep silence and a very deep peace. This is something that will happen to everyone.
SO WHAT SHALL I DO TO BECOME LIKE YOU?
Well one of the primary step is that you must have a wish, a very, very strong wish to awake, and the second is that you must try to practice truth, you must become radical true with yourself. Between yourself there cannot be any secret, no matter what it is, you stop hiding, you allow everything to be seen, you allow everything to be enlightened inside of you. Like this you will come in contact with your being. In your being you are always and will always be. And you are free from roles you identify yourself with, from judgement about yourself and others, because you will understand there is no others. There is only you, it is difficult to say it in words, because yes there are others in the dream that you create, but in reality there is only you.
IF THERE IS ONLY ME, WHY DO I NEED A MASTER?
You don’t need him. If you are radically willing to see yourself, you don’t need him, but you will come to a point that you reach the edge of death. And if there is someone that has done that passage before you, he can give you a lot of support. Because there can be states that are difficult, that can give you confusion, THAT can be irritative, frightening, dangerous. The master cannot do anything for you, or something on behalf of you. He is more like a father and can take you. But if someone says, ‘I don’t need to be taken care’, he may try by himself. One was the first one to make it without a master, so how did he do it? It is possible then, but not advisable.
WHAT ABOUT THE HUMAN KIND, DO YOU SEE ANY HOPE?
It is not my business to think about humanity. This is God’s business, if you go on with the program that I need to safe the world, or that the world needs to be saved, this would be too big for anyone and it will make no sense.
Look, how far can you see with your eyes? Let’s say 100 km. And how far can you hear? Maybe 10 km. And how far can you smell? Maybe 1 km. That should be more or less the radius where you should think. Do not think global, it is not a good position. Stay in your cosmos, with your family, your neighbors, care for the ones that come in your orbit. You come close to them, and if you take good care of them this is already a big thing. Don’t put on your shoulder the responsibility for the entire world, unless God is asking you.
I HAVE READ ALL YOUR BOOKS AND I FIND THEM FANTASTIC, BUT IF I WANT TO ENTER THE PATH WHAT EXACTLY I HAVE TO DO?
You should come and say hello and I will ask you what brings you here. Then if you want to come again we spend sometime again with everyone here. If you want to be close, the door is open. It is just as if you are knocking at a door and they open and if they are nice people they invite you in, and you only have to be inside and a transmission will happen. It is very difficult to describe it by words.
When there are two substances, like water and oil, one of them dominates, and the strongest substance enters through a membrane by osmosis, so the strongest substance, the most conscious, goes and envelop the less conscious and this is a kind of transmission that happens unconsciously with everyone. But it can also happen consciously, so that you can transmit something.
In order to receive that transmission it is a good position to be in Love. Love makes everything easy, Love is the river that allows the boat to reach. Love is the fluid that makes the difficulties easy, the unhappy, happy. If you are in Love you are almost there, it will be only a very short travel for you.
IF YOU SHOULD TALK TO THE YOUNGSTERS THAT ARE WANDERING, SEARCHING, WHAT SHOULD BE YOUR ADVICE TO THEM?
When you are young you have a lot of physical power, try not to spend it all when you are young. Because you are in need for some power when you become elder. If you can think what is the meaning of your life, the purpose, is there a higher purpose, this is the beginning.
AND WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THE ELDER PEOPLE?
In our tradition when there are elders usually we do not speak. But if one would ask, I would say, at every single breath from now on, remember God. Make sure that you have nothing else to do first. That would be the best preparation for the coming journey. Remember also to remember Him happy, with joy, love, in praising, singing, if you still can dance, in every moment of your life. That would be the crown of your life. And the taste, the pleasure, the joy you will receive, there is not a scale for it.
Don’t look to the past, let the past pass, concentrate solely on the now. If you can do that, you will travel in light speed.
The elders should be an example for the youngsters. In the new time the elders will have such a honor position, not like now. The elders will be our treasure.
SOMETIMES WE GET LOST IN OUR EMOTIONS, IN OUR EMOTIONAL STORMS, IN THOSE MOMENTS HOW CAN I RETURN TO MY STILL CENTER, TO MY SOUL?
Well you see, you must be you, without you. Which means that all these emotions they don’t take you anywhere, they don’t give you what you are looking for.
It is like you are caught in the body, but it is not the body, it not the spiritual.
The emotions are fascinating us, because They seem to be higher and bring us closer and both is true, but you have to go further. There is something which is beyond emotions. And this you must look for. To go beyond emotions you have to leave them. You don’t have to feed them. Then you will come into a state.
It is already in the word, ’emotions’ they are all the time in ‘motion’, you cannot stabilize them. This is exactly the trap: you want all the time to arrange your emotions, but you cannot, they are in motion, in movement, so you can never grab them or understand how exactly they are, because in one minute you can have 10 emotions. Therefore we do not concentrate on the emotions, we allow them to be there and we look at them. We are not practicing psychology, we go beyond psychology and that will lead you to a state.
And in that state you are not loving, you are love; you are not enjoying, you are joy; you are not having a peaceful moment, you are peace. A state is not what you receive. It enables you to give what you feel, because it is in your hands, is your possessions. While the emotions are never in your possessions. Love comes and love goes, joy comes and joy goes. In the morning you love me, in the midday you get angry, in the evening you don’t love me, after dinner you love me again, and it is the same person you say you love him. So it is not stable, we cannot trust each other in this love, you cannot trust yourself in this love.
To reach beyond emotions, it may sound cold, and you say, ‘oh my God if I loose my emotions I loose my humanity’. No, you loose all the complications of your humanity, you loose the distortions. We have over emotionalized everything, the concept of love, the concept of being together and this causes so much troubles and pressure.
Now it is the time to come back to practicality, to have humour, to see what must be first. So when you find a river you are interested in its origin and no matter what you see in between, it is not really important. What is really important it is that you find the origin, and when you find it, everything is fine. No matter what was in between, it is the source that will give you eternal happiness.
When you know it is the source, you will always have fresh waters, and it will be always the purest, clean water, full of life, that wipes off all the experiences and the emotions you had before. You do not need them any longer, because you can have them fresh in every moment.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE EMOTIONS ARE CONNECTED WITH TIME, PAST, FUTURE.
Yes, this is a good observation. There is time, psychological time and everything that consumes psychological time is something that distorts us. When you come to the source there is no time, there is isness, instantly. There is just the source available at the very moment. You don’t have to travel for it, to reach, it is all, is everywhere; is there and is alive, it is your source.
It is not easy to put it in words because also for each one it may appear a bit different; it has to do with your uniqueness, it has to do with your inner secret, which only you have, no other.
From that inner secret you resonate differently with existence. That resonance gives an enormous happiness to the all. That’s why no one is replaceable. It does not mean that if you go the existence collapses, but it is the sound that changes. Every moment has its own very particular sound, every time, every decade has its very own sound.
You may not notice the difference in one day, or in one month, in one year, but in ten years you may notice the different sound. This is what people say, the old time sounded different. The past have been better, just because when we have our first experience, our soul receive an imprint that time, and this sound gives us another happiness compared to the new sound. When you are aware of that, you will also understand that nothing can be saved, fixed, it has to move, this is the divine command. Everything has to change, to move on and on and on.
Do not fix yourself on anything, breath in and out, move in, do not try to hold, to grab it.
Everything is arranged long time ago.